karl rove said that he could imagine a 2016 gop candidate in favor of gay marriage. wow. but will the supreme court's decision bring ground breaking change. joining me to discuss this is our political friend christine pelosi, chair of the california democratic party women's caucus, and she shares the party platform when they adopted marriage equality. what is at steak? >> most immediately at steak are the 18,000 same-sex couples which got married. so what the court could do is rule narrowly on behalf of those california couples and say look, you got married because the supreme court recognized the constitutional right to marry in california, we find those marriages to be valid, we are throwing out prop 8. so the most narrow victory would be a victory for the 18,000 same-sex couples. more broodly of course the court could recognize the constitutional right to marry in the 14th amendment, and it's prohibition against denying liberty rights and demanding equal protection. >> michael: is the narrow victory a victory? just the 18,000 cases? >> equality is inevitable. i would l